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Re: Blood Ranger Build

Post by Cinnamon » Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:00 am

Alces wrote:
Elindir' wrote:Here: let me tell you the best possible blood blade build after playing as a pure bber for years.

2175 Total Ranks:

1000 Evus
700 BB
50 Rodnus
225 Histia
200 Swengus
Interesting...

Why the Evus?
I think because this build results in:

700 BB
50 Rodnus
250 Atkus
773 Swengus
431 Histia
52 Detha
167 Darkus
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Re: Blood Ranger Build

Post by Alces » Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:27 am

Nunul wrote:As far as that build, I would take Stinkfist's over it any day of the week. I am laughing my ass off at 700 BB by the way.
How much BB do you think is useful/appropriate?

@Cinn- What I was getting at was- Why do you need all of that base Atkus/Darkus?
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Re: Blood Ranger Build

Post by Nunul » Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:38 am

Alces wrote:
Nunul wrote:As far as that build, I would take Stinkfist's over it any day of the week. I am laughing my ass off at 700 BB by the way.
How much BB do you think is useful/appropriate?
Ask Stinkfist about his build. Also, ask Aldernon how a godly amount of BB ranks is working out for him.

I'd prefer you discuss it with them via PMs or in-game rather than on the general forums. Professional courtesy and all that. It's been a topic of great debate and hand wringing in the BM forum, and probably isn't a very healthy topic to be discussing in public.
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Re: Blood Ranger Build

Post by Aldernon » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:19 am

reckinyards wrote:
Elindir' wrote:Here: let me tell you the best possible blood blade build after playing as a pure bber for years.

2175 Total Ranks:

1000 Evus
700 BB
50 Rodnus
225 Histia
200 Swengus

Continue to train BB, Histia, and Swengus in a 2:2:1 ratio till, well... forever really. If you really want Troilus tack that on too. The most important thing is to continue training bb and bolstering your health, while always continuing to slightly increase your swing support and recovery (though it isn't THAT necessary with the old bb).

Have fun (it is a lot of it)!
And despite popular beliefs, bloodbladers still trump rangers a lot of the times - especially when fighting things that the rangers haven't learned. They do take a bit more finesse though.
can bloodbladers have multiple swings? can they brick? can they take more than 1 or 2 hits while bricking? can they kill junk fast? can they move fast? can they get a bonus from being morphed?
Let me take a shot: sometimes,sometimes,sometimes,no,no and no.

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Re: Blood Ranger Build

Post by Aldernon » Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:08 am

Nunul wrote:
Alces wrote:
Nunul wrote:As far as that build, I would take Stinkfist's over it any day of the week. I am laughing my ass off at 700 BB by the way.
How much BB do you think is useful/appropriate?
Ask Stinkfist about his build. Also, ask Aldernon how a godly amount of BB ranks is working out for him.

I'd prefer you discuss it with them via PMs or in-game rather than on the general forums. Professional courtesy and all that. It's been a topic of great debate and hand wringing in the BM forum, and probably isn't a very healthy topic to be discussing in public.
I'll chime in, here....

I haven't trained BB since the subclass came in to existence. (about 2 years?)

I believed I could, over time, adjust my other training to be workable w/ the subclass.

I have played my (near 7th circle) ranger 10x more than Aldernon (8th circle) in the last 3-5 years.

Just data points, not going to offer any opinions one way or another beyond data points ;)
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Re: Blood Ranger Build

Post by Alces » Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:36 am

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Okay, so I've been putting a lot of thought into this lately for some reason...

Ath passed 7th recently, which means that I'm relatively certain that I'll be able to untrain him without losing 3rd circle. However- with all of the knowledge that y'all have imparted to me thus far about the nature of bloodblades, I've been toying with the idea of putting the untraining on hold long enough to get a Kitten morph. (Ugh...but worth it...?)

Hear me out on this...

Blood Ranger Build v3.0
750 Farley Buff (~500 Troilus, ~320 Histia)
700 Bloodblade
300 Regia (Or just enough Sweng if needed, then Regia)
300 Histia
300 Respin Verminbane
15 Splash O'sul
50 Rodnus
2415 Total Ranks Invested (VERY Approx # of ranks available after full untrain after Kitten Morph learned)

From what I understand, bloodblades consume a tremendous amount of spirit, so the charm/shieldstone strategy won't really work as his spirit pool will never be substantial enough to use those items effectively.

Instead, I'm considering the following theoretical strategy:

Step 1: Absorb enough damage for the BB to become dangerous.
Step 2: Kill stuff until low red.
Step 3: Retreat and morph into Kit when enough spirit is available.
Step 4: Unmorph when Kit's health is full.
[Repeat]

In theory, I only need enough spirit to morph...with enough Respin, it should only take a few seconds to regen enough spirit to morph. With 500 Troilus, I should be able to get the kitten's ~220 Histia to full health in less than a minute, then unmorph and be at ~33% health.





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BLOOD MORPHZERKER!! Image
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Thoughts?
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Re: Blood Ranger Build

Post by Daimoth » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:11 am

Or you can just be a pure Ranger and be better.
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Re: Blood Ranger Build

Post by Alces » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:40 am

Harsh, dude...harsh...

Like it or hate it, you have to at least acknowledge that it would be a fun build to play... :p
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Re: Blood Ranger Build

Post by Jeanne » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:42 am

Trying to make the Bloodblade a viable weapon and useful way of fighting just isn't going to work. Please, give up this foolish course of action and just be a Ranger. You'll be happier and more powerful. We're saying this for your own good.
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Re: Blood Ranger Build

Post by Stinkfist » Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:42 pm

don't let the haters stop you.

breaking the cookie cutter is always win & good.

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Re: Blood Ranger Build

Post by Seld'kar » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:28 am

Stinkfist wrote:don't let the haters stop you.

breaking the cookie cutter is always win & good.
I agree with the sentiment, but most experiments sugest minimal synergy between Bloodblading and the ranger subclass.
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Re: Blood Ranger Build

Post by Daimoth » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:32 am

Stinkfist wrote:don't let the haters stop you.

breaking the cookie cutter is always win & good.
Until you realize you'd be having more fun and be better just going pure Ranger.

I wish there were crazy Dungeons and Dragonsesque multiclass crazy synergies you could pursue too. But there aren't. Blinding yourself to the plethora of negatives to pursue something that just won't work in any realm as well as being a purist doesn't seem like a good idea. But if you don't care and still want to do it, go for it, I guess.

Just keep in mind it's a decision that will affect your gameplay experience for the rest of your CL career.
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Re: Blood Ranger Build

Post by Alces » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:41 am

Seld'kar wrote:most experiments sugest minimal synergy between Bloodblading and the ranger subclass.
Has someone tried something like this this before?
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Re: Blood Ranger Build

Post by Seld'kar » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:58 am

Alces wrote:Has someone tried something like this this before?
People have tried BB/morph combos as eximents. From what I heard the Spirit drain from the BB ends the morph rather quickly. Maybe it could work better with lots of extra splash, but I don't know the mechanics well enough. The heartwood charm probably suffers from the same problem to an even larger degree. I don't know if the new BB and rangers interact diffrently then the new BB and vanilas, but assuming they did all you get out of it is improved spirit regen, which is nice I guess, but not really a signifigant boon.
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Re: Blood Ranger Build

Post by Alces » Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:15 pm

Seld'kar wrote:
Alces wrote:Has someone tried something like this before?
From what I heard the Spirit drain from the BB ends the morph rather quickly. Maybe it could work better with lots of extra splash, but I don't know the mechanics well enough. The heartwood charm probably suffers from the same problem to an even larger degree.
Right...that's why I revised the strategy to basically use the Kit Morph exclusively for healing purposes.
Alces wrote:Step 1: Absorb enough damage for the BB to become dangerous.
Step 2: Kill stuff until low red.
Step 3: Retreat and morph into Kit when enough spirit is available.
Step 4: Unmorph when Kit's health is full.
[Repeat]
The BB is not being swung while in Kit form in this scenario. If accidental swinging becomes a problem, I could always build an "/unequip bloodblade" or "/equip Gossamer" command into the morph macro.

The thought is- he'd be nearly self sufficient health-wise in a group with a brick, significantly reducing the workload on the healers who otherwise might get frustrated having to chase after an always-moving target with absurdly high Histia.

Just thought of something else- An added benefit of having next to no core fighter ranks (save Histia and Regia) is infinite swings (at high health) with a minimal Regia investment- If I add 100 Goss into the mix and lead with the Goss while absorbing the initial damage, this build would not necessarily have to sacrifice all of its junk-clearing abilities.
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