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Clan Lord Timeline Project ideas

Post by noivad » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:08 pm

I'm thinking about making one, so I'd like your input: what features would you like to see in it? Any ideas for layouts, or other things/abilities you'd like in the web app. Currently the idea is to set it up like a wiki, where any Registered CL player can come in and add/edit things. All accounts would have to be approved, and the ground rules are they you agree not to intentionally mess up or scramble the timeline. Thinking about adding "locks" where only the exile that made the entry and the admins could make changes, while others could submit corrections and update to the author of the initial entry.

I plan on building the Database in MySQL and using PHP (since that's what I know), a bit of Javascript to allow Asynchronous updates (AJAX), and other tricks as I learn them. I'd like to learn JSON and other API technologies so I could link up to other sites as well.

NOTE: I might not build it at all depending on the amount of feedback I get here. I'd like to know that such a thing is wanted before investing time in it. Also, if you have event dates by our calendar or puddleby's calendar or just the version number things were added/updated that should work as well. If I get enough of those, I'll most likely organize that way. I do not have a template yet because I'd like to see what sort of data people submit.
Category (Exile, World Change, Feature Addition, Area Introduction/expansion, Exile milestone, etc.)
Obvious fields would be DATE Added/Accomplished/discovered (by Gregorian, Puddlebian or version of release)
for Events Date started and date completed (if any)
Event Headline
Details
other notes
relevent links to: Thoomcare, Puddleopedia, the Sentinel or exile journals or dev. blogs
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Speculation (discussion of said event -- preferably a link to Sentinel discussion)
other events the preceded it (Causes of event)
other events that followed it (Effects of Event)
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Re: Clan Lord Timeline Project ideas

Post by Fundin » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:45 pm

noivad wrote:I'm thinking about making one, so I'd like your input: what features would you like to see in it? Any ideas for layouts, or other things/abilities you'd like in the web app. Currently the idea is to set it up like a wiki, where any Registered CL player can come in and add/edit things. All accounts would have to be approved, and the ground rules are they you agree not to intentionally mess up or scramble the timeline. Thinking about adding "locks" where only the exile that made the entry and the admins could make changes, while others could submit corrections and update to the author of the initial entry.

I plan on building the Database in MySQL and using PHP (since that's what I know), a bit of Javascript to allow Asynchronous updates (AJAX), and other tricks as I learn them. I'd like to learn JSON and other API technologies so I could link up to other sites as well.

NOTE: I might not build it at all depending on the amount of feedback I get here. I'd like to know that such a thing is wanted before investing time in it. Also, if you have event dates by our calendar or puddleby's calendar or just the version number things were added/updated that should work as well. If I get enough of those, I'll most likely organize that way. I do not have a template yet because I'd like to see what sort of data people submit.
Category (Exile, World Change, Feature Addition, Area Introduction/expansion, Exile milestone, etc.)
Obvious fields would be DATE Added/Accomplished/discovered (by Gregorian, Puddlebian or version of release)
for Events Date started and date completed (if any)
Event Headline
Details
other notes
relevent links to: Thoomcare, Puddleopedia, the Sentinel or exile journals or dev. blogs
Source
Speculation (discussion of said event -- preferably a link to Sentinel discussion)
other events the preceded it (Causes of event)
other events that followed it (Effects of Event)
I will find my PHP (Puddleby Historical Project) stuff for you and put it online again. Went from 0-350 versions so it's a good start.
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Re: Clan Lord Timeline Project ideas

Post by noivad » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:58 pm

Fundin wrote: I will find my PHP (Puddleby Historical Project) stuff for you and put it online again. Went from 0-350 versions so it's a good start.
sure, but you could also send it to me if that'd be easier (you should have my email address.... it's not too hard to figure out, considering my main one is with apple's service. PM me if you need it again.)

I know you work for a web company so serving it should be easy, but I can host it too.

If someone that's more familiar with PHP than I am (about a years worth of intense use, without frameworks, and about 6 months with frameworks) and you'd like to work on it together or even spearhead it, I'll host it free and set up an account for you work on it. I am really good at designing relational DBs in MySQL given all the features wanted. But I will also concede to the experts out there if they are more qualified, or we could collaborate in the design too.
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Re: Clan Lord Timeline Project ideas

Post by Sproutfoot » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:36 pm

Idea has my full support.
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Re: Clan Lord Timeline Project ideas

Post by Fundin » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:04 pm

noivad wrote:
Fundin wrote: I will find my PHP (Puddleby Historical Project) stuff for you and put it online again. Went from 0-350 versions so it's a good start.
sure, but you could also send it to me if that'd be easier (you should have my email address.... it's not too hard to figure out, considering my main one is with apple's service. PM me if you need it again.)

I know you work for a web company so serving it should be easy, but I can host it too.

If someone that's more familiar with PHP than I am (about a years worth of intense use, without frameworks, and about 6 months with frameworks) and you'd like to work on it together or even spearhead it, I'll host it free and set up an account for you work on it. I am really good at designing relational DBs in MySQL given all the features wanted. But I will also concede to the experts out there if they are more qualified, or we could collaborate in the design too.
Its all in HTML Noivad but I can zip and send it to you when I find it.
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Re: Clan Lord Timeline Project ideas

Post by noivad » Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:43 am

Fundin wrote:
noivad wrote:
Fundin wrote: I will find my PHP (Puddleby Historical Project) stuff for you and put it online again. Went from 0-350 versions so it's a good start.
sure, but you could also send it to me if that'd be easier (you should have my email address.... it's not too hard to figure out, considering my main one is with apple's service. PM me if you need it again.)

I know you work for a web company so serving it should be easy, but I can host it too.

If someone that's more familiar with PHP than I am (about a years worth of intense use, without frameworks, and about 6 months with frameworks) and you'd like to work on it together or even spearhead it, I'll host it free and set up an account for you work on it. I am really good at designing relational DBs in MySQL given all the features wanted. But I will also concede to the experts out there if they are more qualified, or we could collaborate in the design too.
Its all in HTML Noivad but I can zip and send it to you when I find it.
That would be most welcome. Do you have my address still? Or do you need it? (It's easy enough to look up/figure out, but I can send it to you for your convenience.)
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Re: Clan Lord Timeline Project ideas

Post by Fundin » Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:52 am

noivad wrote:
That would be most welcome. Do you have my address still? Or do you need it? (It's easy enough to look up/figure out, but I can send it to you for your convenience.)
I've been gone a while but I'm sure my old PAG membership list still has your name in it :D
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Re: Clan Lord Timeline Project ideas

Post by Chmee » Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:04 am

I like this idea. It would be cool to see when I was exiled in terms of other things that have happened before and since in the lands.
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Post by Lorikeet » Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:32 am

Hah I have records of PMF big discoveries from June, 2001 to November, 2004 (and a few earlier--like the movies of the Foothills Discovery in December, 2000 and the first Feast of Tserrin in 1999). *ducks the tomatoes*

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Post by Rath » Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:24 pm

Lorikeet wrote:Hah I have records of PMF big discoveries from June, 2001 to November, 2004 (and a few earlier--like the movies of the Foothills Discovery in December, 2000 and the first Feast of Tserrin in 1999). *ducks the tomatoes*
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Post by Eirian » Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:47 pm

Lorikeet wrote:Hah I have records of PMF big discoveries from June, 2001 to November, 2004 (and a few earlier--like the movies of the Foothills Discovery in December, 2000 and the first Feast of Tserrin in 1999). *ducks the tomatoes*
I'd love to see them!
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Re: Clan Lord Timeline Project ideas

Post by Feodoric Mermeios » Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:09 pm

I have some handy timeline information regarding the brions and the EP that I could contribute.

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Re: Clan Lord Timeline Project ideas

Post by Org du Lac » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:37 am

Did you ever make any progress on this, Noivad? I'd love to see it. Couldn't find it easily on CLUMP.

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Re: Clan Lord Timeline Project ideas

Post by noivad » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:42 pm

Actually, I got no other feedback than you see here. With the interest so low, I bumped it down the list. In the time since then, an older project was re-activated. So, I decided to do that. Also, I decided to learn how to do it right rather than wing it.* My hope is a timeline site could benefit from added expandability and interoperability with other sites be scraping their feed with a robot and automatically adding it. I know it is possible, I just have to teach myself how to do it if a site does not have an RSS feed, though many do.

*I have been studying different things in relation to this for other things as well. I sent myself back to "school" by reading technical books on programming techniques, modeling and design patterns to avoid reinventing the wheel. There is a lot of formal stuff to learn if I am going to do this right. There also seem to be a plethora of choices as far as open source libraries, but I might bite the bullet and teach myself Zend Framework 2 since it is going to be released soon. The problem with this is that a real college would probably take too long because of pre-requisites and a technical school would be too expensive.
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Re: Clan Lord Timeline Project ideas

Post by noivad » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:47 pm

BTW, I did receive the Puddleby Historical Project files, but thanks to a SNAFU with my hosting provider and transfer I spent my allocated time working on something else I had to do before I could put it up, and never got back to it. :(
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